Per 9-09-2012 under punctuation construction.
---This is always well worth a read, the subject_ (and being that it underpins all we do every second) it can't help but we worth it ---but (I) wouldn't say that, it just is---and it would help if it's realized (you will if your read) that my heart is with the believer and the spirit in which this is (I feel) at play, I hope, always evident. I (at present) refuse to read. I know there are fantastic writers and scholars. I do not think this is a bad idea to read, ---of course not---but in my particular peculiar situation, I am almost certain<---and I do NOT use this word lightly) I feel that I have more to offer coming at it from this way--while I have the choice. I find it is a chance for not just me, but ALL of us to reap some
possible rewards of a very unread person---by choice, and submit myself to my own thoughts before I am subject to (I fully concede that I likely have not said anything that has not been said before but I think it is crucial that we realize tht ALL things likely have, but during this epoch these words if put together properly<---only using this word with how much it indeed does have a profound effect on a person that -as you will see I am in essence-- writing for. (The believer ---
who almost by definition "struggles". I am up to 5 books, and ALL of those are of the audio type. I say this to the reader here to possibly prompt curiosity in themselves to give writing a serious effort. You will find yourselves getting things out that -vocally- seems to escape us from getting to what we are ---in most cases, trying to get across.
Introduction part 1)
---From what seems to be (per my e-mails) ---which touched and blazed me
to continue--- (to publish...that is) one of my most 'favored' essays ---if this in fact an essay. It seems, per the responses---that, yes, ---I do like immensely---(who doesn't that wants 'very desperatly' to get across something that the writer, (though I am not a writer) feels is so vital, and any "praise" ---while being human makes it so I can't pretend to not appreciate but only in that it means people are very much beginning to realize that they themselves can really now very easily reach
without undue strain). I (if taken wrong) can sound a bit meglo,and maybe one needs a touch of this to tackle these issue, especially this, --our most important (I will insert connecting ?) <--- see, I'm not a writer---but use as a tool, and I have seen how his "focuses" me to delve into things in ways that even surprise myself. If you are in fact a writer, I feel you must know of what I am refering to., and to re-state a bit, I really think that it simply, but very effectively 'focuses' one in
ways that general conversation lends to keeping distraction in play and I do feel, based on more than my own narcism, that I have something very good to offer to , again, our most important conversation (I find it hard to call it merely "a topic". So critique me if you feel you have to as my sentences are long and puncuation is poor at best and spellin<---see sometimes suffers--- -though not really, but please ---think of how I have constructed this. <---I am very aware how this sounds but I can not afford to care except to the exetent that I just digressed on it) 'paper'
post from my scribbles www.LeMarc.org ---please don't think that (I) think I am anything more than (john) People say things like this often---(I) mean it.
Humanities Biblical Revolution +++
Past And Pass on The good Book:
a slight edition was added 10/15/2011 @3am
---10/15/2011 around 3am ---that for the religious to get all indignant on you is a show of what CH reference to KMarx in his critique of Hegels' "Philosophy Of Right" ---"religious distress is" etc...___Well, I think it can be put even better and more practical, still likely in vain, but this might be worth posting. It really might even illuminate some % of the nuts, to possibly even help the step to
alleviate --->.that when they are most in your face- it's because God, Bible etc... have let them down such and so much (and even with this general and sometimes pinpoint accuracy of their disappointment---that to hear another talk in any type of a way that undermines what to them is taken personal) that they feel so hurt from that, and comes to their subconscious and to a point- their conscious effort to maybe FINALLY get God to help relieve their plight, woe etc,..,with a "standing up for"--- as in "see, I'm stilll on your side, and defended you again,..How about NOW god"? NOTE: 10/25/2011: Just seen "movie" type thing "Sunset Limited" ---(above) blurb -to me smacks way close to the face of the end of CMcarthty's play when SJackson is distressing on his failure to save TLJones ---it leaves it open as to whether he 'take's' this special express: but he does: and we all do inevitably, but I'll still leave above paragraph there.
Below is the original work with slight edits made over about a (10) day period.
(This paper) is still in progress and (e)ditions.
It might even be in the form of subtractions---as we all are. ~ Lemarc
"Have you seen her!, somebody pretty foolin'
with her style and ease"
Opening lyrical line from "Dance The Night Away"
~ VH (1978)
(I'm what you might describe as a (non)- meglo man Dave)
From the DLetterman show *1986. ---Spoken in his "Diamond Dave" affably sarcastic sense of, (You either get me or you don't).
~ DLRoth
Religions are crude attempts to create a "failure mode" guide to existence on earth (as a philosophy) and simultaneously to assuage the tremendous fear of life and death that is in every man when confronted with his own impotence.
~ Eric: www.ebtx.com Texas
to the goods-->
Dedicated to all that have been imprisoned by hysterical types that have halted the chance for one to think for themselves: by someone whom was lucky enough to breakout (2wice -quite literally in 1/83 & 1/85) and see this mental prison from the outside and find a way out due to the inevitably different view this brings.
I've written this long ago, but updated and
published/posted by: John L Freeman
(LeMarc Landean)on Thursday, September 22, 2011 at 11:20pm.
I can be and I am certain (via the same process that always brings me at 4 when I add 2 + 2)that the bible is the writing of humans. Big deal, seems old and maybe and likely bordering on boring? Well, because it IS an old thought. That -in itself, does not negate that something is at least relevant, but for the matters here: it is crucial to our own survival, much less lifestyle.
The arguing of religion by what are called -and sometimes they themselves use this title)(non-believers) or (atheist) vs. the pious (faith full of it)- in which the whole affair is centered around the scrutinization of the bible and it's contradictory passages, cruelties and unmerciful suffering seems to be going in circles at times somewhat like arguing the color blue- but this was indeed necessary.
Point of above few sentences is that (people might say, (faith based)---some even, very thoughtful, knowledgeable religious apologists), here I must note FTurek, the religious people's best most intelligent speakers-debaters, that "of course silly, we don't believe in a man with a white beard, etc; anymore" any (MORE) --- REALLY?
(Moving on from that garbage) <---Writers mood<---maybe I'll withdraw---but it's all "how" you read that anyway) This at the least brings this fight to the forefront and is essence the opening salvo for the real blood to come. Maybe the only time where I, myself would agree with the old 'bloodletting'medical healing technique in that it actually metaphorically and in some cases practicality would and will do us well.
How-ever there are still a large portion of thoughtful people -on either side- (I do not say both),in point of fact: Most, if not all IS circular)<---NoT in a C.S. Lewis's "Mere Christianity" type way)as these are not and can not, -I intend to and will show why, and not just dole out this side and the other- which you'll soon see is what is at least one of, and likely a very, blatant side effect (that I call it) from this old and now very easily cured ailment/sickness of the sort that I am trying to alleviate. Or, in other, more direct words -never should be put on equal ground and is where I still see, in the time of now- (separate post) "Time of NOW" ---SOON--- with all of our knowledge and even almost curious rapid advances in wisdom- people still, that have a knee-jerk reaction as to claim that this does not have any place anymore (the debating of bible verses) and everyone is already aware of this. This type of a calling out used to be reserved for the biblical debates. A deeper look though and these same people would see that this is and was the needed step to a more provocative and enlightening dialectic. Maybe it might be called in retrospect a "monolectic, ---but I do know this is good for the self. I, myself ---like where SHarris is taking it..."The Moral Landscape" 1 of now, 3 books I HAVE actually read...Well --- listened to as I have a bit of a problem gearing myself up to read. I love the way (when you know the author is so sincere, even desperate (myself included) to get his points across and to hear them in their own voice, cadence, inflections has me strongly riveted ---depending on the author.
Now, there can be no doubt on this as billions have been crippled in their thought by past and very frighteningly present generations. (and to make fun of a cripple whether it's of a physical type, or -and this seems even more heinous) the mental kind, is even by the -2nd most abject of creatures, frowned upon to put it lightly.
We are at a point in our history (and that can and should be a point of discussion on why all this, -now?) -and: -I am not referring to the veracity of bible verses) and our time where surely it must be simply enough conceded as self evident and the need becomes as always, or rather should always be to advance (past) this with a slight but important type of course correction. All of these points should be up and running, one might assume. --I ask, are they?
It does -in some views, seem like an old, exhausted and boring discussion. Only though if one is not paying attention to the blatantly obvious--which almost invariably is the case with most of us). Indeed it -to the extent of merely time- is all of these. One thought that should keep leading to flushing out and shining a spotlight on this fallacious, albeit majoritive way that people go about their life and while most do not really take the scriptures so very serious. I , myself wouldn't try to tell them this.
How-ever that should never be forgot and or let back in -as those doors are, if not closing now- should be swinging shut and abandoned where Linus left his trusty but hole riddled lanket. It does, at a glance, even at an intense glare- seem like this should be followed by the oldest question, "Well then what the hell is it all about"?
All we know to be true on this, is that we will never ever know by means of closing the eye. To be so obstinate that a refusal to be more aware of anything as critical to our own survival would just be to give up all: which religion is very adept with and to the point of even boasting this intrinsic and damaging non effort (Unless you disagree with it) Then my fellow brethren, Religion ROARS.
There is nothing one can say except what is self evident: Religion is Mans (constant) attempt to control Man. It is, as is said: combining to maxims of both solipsism and servility, and these can't co-exist by their very definition: This has been honed to be this way as it is a self sealing, beyond reproach tactic. It has to be this because it has always been "under attack"--even from the one's that profess the belief. Even with the most Fundamentalist, this does not go as deep as they would desperately want you to believe. It, because it is so fantasmal HAS
to be of the sort that keeps needing reinforcement. In brief to on that, I am referring to the so called, "miracles" etc,...
inserted per 4-12-2012: When I say I am certain, and use this word---I can really only mean it as I say: as much as I am comfortable that I'll get 4 every time I add 2 plus 2---having opened with that in the middle of this scribble: On with it---I rarely-if ever would publish/post/say something and claim certainty- unless it fit that simple criteria: and this is just a taste---it stems from confusion: which really, deeply truly---is our fear (human) of womens "stuff": I think it's from
the Latin for :how shall I say? ---coos coos.
and the power therefore fear thus anxiety, which leads to maniacal behavior. On 'coos coos', that's just the taste ---www.lemarc.org ... really. This is such not a funny ha ha Men,...I appeal to you. 'Wimma please!' ---though you'll like the conclusion I draw but at present I just don't know what---I know "how" though and more important for the reader is I strongly feel I know "how" for others also ---which IS a big leap---not of faith though. I do have my reasons which are pretty close to simply stating them as either assertions and or simply: truths...cont---in your deepest thoughts, alone ---or however works for you. If you can realize this (and I realize this is a kind of (just city --just life' quality* I am talking of, but this is do-able in the *now)---just for a second I ask you to go---then we'll race back,...it is ones simple "honesty" with themselves. We likely and (I, myself- am certain that we likely will not like what we find---but I use this word a great deal because everyone needs one: base--- 'so honest study of energies'. It needs not to be anything more than that ---it could be more---but it's NOT less. Crucial: ---take math: if you are very adept with 0-9 --and have a decent idea of 10's ---it's really all you need know to lead one hell of a life --in the best way/most content...STOPPING: <---for now: only adding, for now---that all our worst come from confusion/fear---women are both to us: ---we crave: I do. we fear: I do. That's likely the only 'I do' you will get from me: Though I don't mean that in a well, mean way ---as tedious as women can make us if we buy in--I --hmmm...I'm very
close to saying that their way is more ? but leaving for now...do not confuse with riffin---I do this, yes: Not here or in anything that I am trying to sort for ALL. Have good times: have a laff --on me---at me: I understand. I likely wouldn't know how to operate without---well, at least (thinking this). Though I have
came to realize it's not the case---but I say anyway: I also add as I realize that it's not the most
linear piece and it's NOT in any way (to my delight to be a scholastic/college type of paper, ---more direct and assertive---I think it cuts through better, but if you do not think so, then I guess you have already proven me wrong on this point.
I am NOT a writer. I use writing as a tool.
I actual only recently realized thisand only happy to divulge this, moreover I do not care what brings me closer to the "thriuth" ---if there is any, ---but seems to be ome that make contemplating the next second not comlpetely useless.
I say with deep love: 1st---I wish I could divulge why I think I have it...<---I DO realize how this sounds---and was aware writing that sentence: I stick. Now when I say "it" ---I mean (the question). Having an incorrect or useless answer is really not a costly thing -for this and in direct context<---though I don't want to dumm it doun---I'll try to maintain -as much as possible---my level of respect in my words--because 1) as I have said, (simple curiosity VALTS you forward:
combine it with previously charged; honesty...and you will know yourself---then follows knowing others (yes, this can --as many things lead to illwill uses) but on the whole brings us immediately from 1 mile out ---to an inch<---subject to change to 1mm for everybody:
However, another look and it is STILL doubted fervently that it is made by Man. This MUST be fought. I can't nor would say/claim that there is no type of god. Not because of an attempt to be overly polite or anything other than for the simplest of reasons that still escapes more people than even I thought: and it's mighty answer is, I (can't) know this. What I am sure of is neither can you.
IF- thought about, - just in the slightest way- Would we really want these types of gods? Well, it (seems) that we don't have a choice in this -in other words-, I believe that it IS just what we see -for the part I speak of here- granted we are bound to see more and more), but when the earliest of creatures seen what amounted to be mundane horror as something everyday as another creature being mutilated, we naturally tried to find reason for this and voila! Enter gods. Later, the people in power (whether it was the tribe leader in some part of the world, to the King in quite another) mostly knew that they couldn't (really) know, so they needed something to control the people. Enter religion.
CRITICAL point:
~ THEE biggest (whether there are many or one or no gods) reason that religion is held so fierce, but not really, is that it "preys" on the youngest and is infested, and infected in us before we have reached any age that would permit what would be called reasoning. ANYTHING that asks you to suspend your own individual reasoning is by definition going to 'take you on a ride' This it seems to me is it's biggest tell). Now, this ride could be self-induced, and if so, as with drugs. That, I save for other papers, but I will just say that a delicate amount of self-delusion
is really not so bad for us in itself, and to bring it full forward---it does in fact help us cope. However, the difference with being able to choose 'when' you want to suspend disbelief is all about making a decision. You'll see though that at the earliest of ages this is forbidden. For this reason alone, we should, apart from many other qualms, and at the very least suspect it.
I, myself could have many reasons to believe in some type of god based on certain
experiences in my life, (one was of a pre-cognitive type that I still can not explain---while the other 2-3 I can think of were things -that, while surprising as they were, they can be easily explained) but ALL I can really say (as of now) is that they were/are coincidences. Thus, (for whatever reason we are here) we should use what time we have here -in the only life we know we have- for what again seems clear to me, Education and Energy. So, I put it in a simple sentence that I claim for myself, "We are here for the study/education of energy".
It sounds simple but not by any means simplistic. This does not rule out love/sex, beauty,empathy, sympathy, ---and the like. I would and do argue that it opens us up even more to these all can agree beautiful experiences in life. This should, but won't go without mentioning that education---could and does in part extend to (finding out, experiencing the sweetest love and craziest most erotic sex, is there any other? at least worth having? Not by my liking anyway.
I would suggest forgiving your parents. It, like religion, can lead to an infinite regression as they can say this is the way they were taught, and their parents can say the same and so on which is analogous to who created god, and who created who which can lead to types of mania's. I've seen it as I am certain you have too even if you haven't been aware of it.
"This Be The Verse" by (PLarkin) conveys this well if you are of a poetic bent. I am not. Yet I'm moved by the simplicity and lesson these words bring. It leads back to religion which leads back to fear of our own death. Even the seemingly benign smalltalk of, "What do you do"? CAN be extended to (What do you do for a (living)---to stay alive, to NOT die). WE are ALL scared of death. We do ANYTHING to NOT think about it.
---:) Maybe the most important note on all of what I , (unlike others that I have seen, seem to, at best -gloss over, and at the other end have let me down when they don't even address what seems to be an innate therefore inescapable demand to fill this hole that they so delight in digging) write of this while at all times trying to fill this gap. Even writers to this subject that I have much respect and even affection for in one case or in another I'd have to reference RDawkins and his liking the choice of a sports team over another ---to God, or god, gods. In other, maybe more direct words, ALL of this is taken into account in this paper as I try to not only show these flaws, (which is too easy, but moreover to see that they illuminate very little) but give ways of dealing with the unforced admitted hole this seems to leave in us. (*)
---On the parents point, to bring it up to the more present, I would also suggest John Mayers' song "Daughters". Nice song and all, but moreover, the words come to mind: and when put to melody, well, it is beautiful and it needed to be written, especially being a decent albeit modest (ha) musician myself, I wish I could have wrote that. In other words, and I think that you'll 'forgive' the play on these words when I say, "for God's sake, let your children be and let
them decide for themselves which way they want to go". If you're keeping them safe: and DO, ---I, myself ask this of you) by all means from indoctrination of really any kind, they'll go through the mental gymnastics (which in itself is a good thing and greatly needed in any of us, but especially in the young)between the obstinate route or the more thoughtful, -which leads to being one that is bound to be sympathetic, kind, considerate, (and much more important, an excellent life learning process)
way, well I have faith that it will be the latter and that they can and will be a more happy being for it.
Do you as a parent have the grace though to see your children through this? -either way-? Or will it be your way or that proverbial highway?
I, myself have a 2nd grade education and have fought and fighting various things, but never have had a struggle with the things that I see many people deal with. But, I've HAD to deal with the results from this mode of thinking that most people have and can unequivocally say that it does not do us any good, and more important--it harms us. I am certain, and to borrow a phrase, "it infects us at our core". I mention about my education to the reader because I (believe) that I might have escaped some of the (dogmatic), (much more on this often used, breezed by word) ways of thought,---or non-thought--- as in the rote type process.
I, we, (people where because of occurences- have known that there is no reason to think these books have anything more than dictatorial musings---at best, yet never would seriously make fun of the believer---in fact, I have found the most abrasice atheist are usually the humans that have believed for so long and have turned ---maybe too fast---but turned) can be taken the wrong way and put into a little corner of the room as if to not scare people.
Yet, I more than speculate to this idea that this little thing in the corner room just might be exactly what people need. (I am people). However, I know I am of the sort that people are sometimes put off by, in that: (How can he know that)? (He's weird), (What's he talking about, and why now?).
Here I will be a bit more personal ---mellowglo, insteaad of meglo ---if you like, as I understand this though. I spend basically my whole free-time and for that matter even my work time chilin, and get a bug to write about things quite often whether I am with company and/or alone or (and girls that have known me can attest to this) even both at the same time. To me the only thing really worth talking about is---the 3 things we're told never to bring up, (at least in polite company---and who the hell wants to be in 'polite' company ---really. Not just some 'fun with phrases' type thing ---although I admit to finding that it comes in handy (Nouns
are the "what" while Verbs are the "how": MUCH more important) Politics, who cares---although I am breezing by this I realize, but religion and sex. I am very firm that tact is so very important, but never in place of bettering someone. If I speak on these things without resorting and/or camouflaging to the idiotic "fukin A, and dee's dems and dos', well the usual knee-jerk reaction is at hand and on display and I sigh and say "wrong crowd" ---learn from it and move. But you see it IS the right crowd. Yes, I am also one that (as I say this example a great deal) comes running out yelling that "I've figured it out! If you add 2 plus 2, you get 4 every time".
So, suffice it to say that I am able and/or cursed -depending on your tastes, and my mood -to have this way of thinking. It has it's minuses, but most are just amusing, albeit some are very trying, The plus would be that I can think the way I do. I was purposefully vague there. I used to wish I could just take a pill and turn it off. Now, I look for some type of a pill that could possibly fuel it. Careful and
delicate with this as fuel can ignite.
On that, ---as for (fuel)-ing, I do get what I call 'on fire' at times. As you might be able to see I do not much like being coy. I feel it is a mixture of the right (energies) percolating. When I do NOT know something, and that's quite often and if it's -trivial---in the exact sense of that word, well then I don't hesitate to ask. There are at least two key factors to this. The first is simply as the person known as Socrates is well known for: (the beginning of intelligence is knowing how little you do know), and the second is: It's a (win-win) ---like that funny commercial 2011---for all. For instance: You're driving with your girl, you find yourself lost---Well, I just look for someone that looks as if they might know more than me and my whereabouts and ask. Especially if it's a guy with his girl, he feels good because he looks good to his girl for (showing me), and I get there and faster, also it becomes clear to your girl that you are not stubborn and sure enough of yourself that you would ask. On a lighter note, I don't suggest you asking her, "Where do I put my (#@#$)? REALLY? !!!, thanks for showing me honey" You might lose her on that, and really, you should. Might not be fair, but neither is the process of finding a mate to have children. <---Please notice the "bring back" --I am NOT riffing ---thoughit is good, I am not doing it here.
Some Expected Possible Reactions: Only If Taken Wrong:
Which I Know You Haven't
Can I be fooled/taken, outfoxed? OF COURSE! Clever has it's place but I have always liked and soothed myself with what I came to realize had a name, the dialectic. Clever might go over better in an attempt to win a debate but won't push the thought process needed that will allow growth to actually gain knowledge of whatever you're trying to -figure out' and/or further. That's the real win. As for our fear of death and what could possibly replace the old scriptures that just
don't do it--but we turn to them because we feel that need for (something)---well I heard it put better than I can on a series of shows in 1997 called "Understanding" I forget the topic that this particular part was on,...but it ends with "in the end (of all we have gained knowledge of) all we really know that we have is each other". Also, some good lovin goes down easy. --so to speak.
~LeMarc with (John Freeman) w/(lemarc)9/22/2011 with 4/12/201 and 9-08-2012
Written by: LeMarc Landean at 4/12/2012 11:55:00 AM
Thank you Michelle G. from Google for the punctuation and spellin fickiz and of course Eric from Texas for letting me know as recent ---or late (depending) for confirming that we are alone--that's the beauty ---scary ---but less scary.
--ya know? If not, I have failed.
w/ love ---john freeman (lemarc)
